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==Guide to commonly available wheels==
 
==Guide to commonly available wheels==
  
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It's a common question that many a sim-racer has asked - which wheel should I get? Buying a wheel is the easiest way to upgrade the immersiveness of LFS, and should help you to be able to understand what the car is doing better, whether your racing or drifting. But which ones are good, and which ones warrant your hard-earned cash?
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It's a common question that many a sim-racer has asked - which wheel should I get? Buying a wheel is the easiest way to upgrade the immersiveness of LFS, and should help you to be able to understand what the car is doing better, whether you are racing or drifting.
  
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You can get “cheap” generic racing wheels, however these really aren’t worth touching with a barge pole, you can pick up a great new wheel for £50, you can spend more, and you can spend less by buying one of eBay (but beware, there are limits on how much abuse a wheel can take), and you could pick up an ok wheel (great just to see if a wheel is worth it, or if your a casual LFS'er) up for £5 (~$10) excluding postage - they are big pieces of kit and to get them posted well with lots of protection can cost a fair bit (ie to send a Microsoft Sidewinder wheel across the UK will cost around £10 (~$20).
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You can get “cheap” generic racing wheels, however these really are generally of low quailty, you can pick up a great new wheel for £50, you can spend more, and you can spend less by buying a used one (but beware, some of them are rather abused beforehand), and you could pick up an basic wheel (great just to see if a wheel is worth it, or if your a casual user) up for £5 (~$10) excluding postage - they are rather bulky and to get them posted well with lots of protection can cost a fair bit (I.E. to send a Microsoft Sidewinder wheel across the UK will cost around £10).
  
 
Most modern wheels nowadays come with a set of pedals, these are usually 2 pedals (throttle and brake), some also have clutch pedals as well, however this is less common and usually found on the more expensive wheels, ie in the £70+ (~$140) range
 
Most modern wheels nowadays come with a set of pedals, these are usually 2 pedals (throttle and brake), some also have clutch pedals as well, however this is less common and usually found on the more expensive wheels, ie in the £70+ (~$140) range
  
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Some have FFB (Force Feedback), which relays bumps in the road through the wheel as a vibration, or the wheels turning (as you would often feel up the steering column), ie as the tyres slide the wheel in a real cars turn as the wheels follow the path of least resistance - FFB makes sure the same thing happens to your wheel, and gives invaluable feedback, you can feel as the car’s tyres start to let go. It sounds like a gimmick, but it is very useful! Not to be confused with Vibration, which just shakes when you hit something like an arcadey console effect - FFB is fully (and very well) supported in LFS, while vibration (aka "Rumble Effect") isn't because it would give very little extra immersion (ie after hitting a tree in real life your wheel doesn't shake!).
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Some have FFB (Force Feedback), which relays bumps in the road through the wheel as a vibration, or the wheels turning (as you would often feel up the steering column), I.E. as the tyres slide the wheel in a real cars turn as the wheels follow the path of least resistance - FFB makes sure the same thing happens to your wheel, and gives invaluable feedback, you can feel as the car’s tyres start to let go. It sounds like a gimmick, but it is very useful! Not to be confused with Vibration, which just shakes when you hit something like a console - FFB is fully (and very well) supported in LFS, while vibration (aka "Rumble Effect") isn't because it would give very little extra immersion (ie after hitting a tree in real life your wheel doesn't shake!).
  
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Rotation is the last part where wheels differ, it is measured from lock to lock. Some wheels have 900° (that's 2 and a half turns), some have 240° (that three quarters of a turn) and some have 180°, 900° is the most natural (although standard road cars use 720° or less), but you can race with 240° quite happily, and many WR holders use 180° so they needn't take their hand off the wheel, and so that they can quickly dial in the correct amount of steering, however you can be easily competitive with 540° or 720°. The LFS road cars have 720° of lock, you can use more or less, and is adjustable in the Logitech Profiler (assuming its a Logitech wheel, and out of those you can only change the rotation on the DFP and G25, however you can go from 90°-900°).
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Rotation is the last part where wheels differ. It is measured from lock to lock. Some wheels have 900° (that's 2 and a half turns), some have 240° and some have 180°, 900° is the most natural (although most standard road cars use 720° or less), but 240° works fine, and many WR holders use 180° so they don't need to pass the wheel through their hands, and so that they can quickly dial in the correct amount of steering, however you can be easily competitive with 540° or 720°. The LFS road cars have 720° of lock, you can use more or less, and is adjustable in the Logitech Profiler (assuming its a Logitech wheel, and out of those you can only change the rotation on the DFP and G25, however you can go from 90°-900°).
  
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LFS has full support of features such as rotation, forcefeedback, clutches and h-gate shifters, however some things are still missing, ie while you can use the H-Gate and the clutch, you cannot stall the car, as LFS will automatically keep the engine running with it's use of the clutch.
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LFS has full support of features such as rotation, force feedback, clutches and h-gate shifters, and it added stalling and clutch heat in Patch Y.
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[[Image:Driving Force GT.jpeg|right|thumb|The Logitech Driving Force GT.]]
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===Logitech Driving Force GT===
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This wheel has 900° of rotation. It is the wheel which you may often find bundled with Gran Turismo 5 Prologue. Do not be fooled however, as this will work perfectly with any other game including LFS. The GT logo on it is just a marketing ploy. It is much cheaper than G25/G27 and is the successor to the Driving Force Pro. The DFGT is not much different to the DFP, the force feedback is improved, a few new buttons, but not much else. The iffy pedals remain. You must install the Logitech Game Profiler to use the wheel with your PC. If you are looking for a decent, cheap wheel, a used DFP is a much better idea. Available new at about £70 (~$110) these are good value, but not was good value as a DFP. The RRP is £100 (~$156.41) and that is the price you would pay if you bought it from somewhere like Argos.
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[http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm/gaming/wheels/devices/4172&cl=us,en Manufacturer site]
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|[[Image:G27Wheel copy 300 dpi-lfsw.jpg|right|thumb|The Logitech G27 Wheel.]]
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|[[Image:G27Wheel BOBshifter 300 dpi.jpg|right|thumb|150px|The wheel's six-speed shift stick.]]
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===Logitech G27===
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Successor to G25. Also 900° of rotation like the G25. Better Force Feedback than the G25. This wheel also has 3 pedals (clutch, brake and throttle) and comes with a full H-pattern, six-speed shift stick with a reverse gear. One feature G27 lost, compared to G25, is the stick that could be adjusted to sequential shifting. If you want sequential shifting, with G27 you have to make do with the paddles behind the wheel. It lost some, but it gained some, more buttons on the wheel. Something the G25 was often criticized for, lack of buttons on the wheel.<br />
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It IS possible to use the LEDs on the wheel with Live for Speed. You have to download a simple mod from [https://www.lfs.net/forum/thread/68510 LFS Forum].<br />
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[http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm/gaming/wheels/devices/5184&cl=us,en Manufacturer site]
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==Discontinued models==
  
 
[[Image:Driving Force.jpg|right|thumb|The Logitech Driving Force.]]
 
[[Image:Driving Force.jpg|right|thumb|The Logitech Driving Force.]]
 
===Logitech Driving Force===
 
===Logitech Driving Force===
  
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This wheel has vibration (for PS2) and force feedback (on the PC, once the wingman drivers are installed). It has 180° of rotation lock to lock. I think it’s out of production, and as such seems to command £35 (~$70) new, which seems very high (compared to Logitech's other offerings), and is really only worth getting around the £20 (~$40) mark. This wheel is compatible with some older PlayStation 2 games before the Driving Force Pro became available.<br />
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This wheel has vibration (for PS2) and force feedback (on the PC, once the Wingman drivers are installed). It has 180° of rotation lock to lock. It's out of production, and as such seems to command £35 (~$70) new, which seems very high (compared to Logitech's other offerings), and is really only worth getting around the £20 (~$40) mark. This wheel is compatible with some older PlayStation 2 games before the Driving Force Pro became available.<br />
 
[http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm/products/details/FI/EN,CRID=2217,CONTENTID=11066 Manufacturer site]
 
[http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm/products/details/FI/EN,CRID=2217,CONTENTID=11066 Manufacturer site]
 
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===Logitech Driving Force EX===
 
===Logitech Driving Force EX===
  
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Designed for PlayStation 2, will probably work with PC once you install the Wingman Drivers, however its really a wheel you might already have for a PS2 rather than one I recommend you buy for LFS - if this is in your price range the Microsoft SideWinder wheel is probably a better bet.<br />
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This is a fairly good beginners wheel that works with PC and PS2. It has 180 degree steering, 16 fully programable buttons, plus a d-pad making this wheel suitable for other games aswell as LFS. You would be looking at £20-40 to buy one. Overall the Microsoft Sidewinder is a better wheel for PC.<br />
 
[http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm/products/details/FI/EN,CRID=2217,CONTENTID=11066 Manufacturer site]
 
[http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm/products/details/FI/EN,CRID=2217,CONTENTID=11066 Manufacturer site]
 
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[[Image:Momo.jpg|right|thumb|The black Logitech Momo Racing.]]
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[[Image:MOMO Force Red.gif|right|thumb|The red Logitech MOMO Force.]]
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===Logitech MOMO Racing ===
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===Logitech MOMO Force ("The Red MOMO")===
  
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A very good wheel, 240° of rotation, 2 pedals and force feedback. Make sure you get a Rev. B version, as Rev. A has pedal problems (which however can be fixed given 30 mins and some tape, but its still easier and safer to get the newer Rev. B). It currently sells for £50 new, although many people have upgraded to the G25, so there are some more on eBay, I think Logitech have stopped producing them so expect prices of them new to rise (as theirs few new ones on the market), but used prices to fall. This (and the DFP) are the best wheels for around £50 (~$100), however the general consensus is that the DFP is an all round better wheel.<br />
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Essentially similar to the Logitech MOMO Racing, the only real difference is that it is seemingly made from better materials. It is rare, and therefore can be quite expensive on sites like eBay, it came out before the MOMO racing and is now out of production. Although better than the MOMO, it's not as good as the DFP or G25.
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[http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm/products/details/FI/EN,CRID=2217,CONTENTID=6030 Manufacturer site]
 
 
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[[Image:MOMO Force Red.gif|right|thumb|The red Logitech MOMO Force.]]
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[[Image:Momo.jpg|right|thumb|The black Logitech Momo Racing.]]
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===Logitech MOMO Racing ===
  
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===Logitech MOMO Force ("The Red MOMO")===
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A very good wheel, 240° of rotation, 2 pedals and Force Feedback.
  
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Essentially similar to the Logitech MOMO Racing, the only real difference is that it is seemingly made from better materials. It is rare, and therefore can be quite expensive on sites like eBay, it came out before the Momo racing and is now out of production. <!-- I don't think this sentence helps people decide which wheel to buy... -- Although better than the Momo Racing, the Momo Force is still not as good as the DFP. -->
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Rev. B version versions that do not have the pedal problems that plague the Rev. A, although they can be fixed in a rather DIY manner. It currently sells for £50 new. It is sold on logitech.com for around $100, but they can be found on eBay and similar. This (and the DFP) are the best wheels for around £50 (~$100), however the general consensus is that the DFP is an all round better wheel.<br />
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[http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm/products/details/FI/EN,CRID=2217,CONTENTID=6030 Manufacturer site]
 
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===Logitech Driving Force Pro===
 
===Logitech Driving Force Pro===
  
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This wheel has 900° of rotation. Like the Momo the Rev. A seems to have pedal problems, Rev B’s don’t have these issues. Available new around £55 (~$110), while used should be cheaper. This and the Momo are the best wheels for under £140 (~$280). This wheel has two Pedals. Many used ones are on eBay after people have upgraded to the G25. If i were to buy a wheel and had £55 (~$110) or thereabouts this would be top of my list to buy. The only issue is that at 900° the motors will not physically let you turn the wheel quick enough to countersteer for things like drifting, however it will do it great at 240°, so in this respect it still beats the Momo.
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This wheel has 900° of rotation. Like the Momo the Rev. A seems to have pedal problems, Rev B versions don’t have these issues though. Available new around £55 (~$110), while used should be cheaper. This and the MOMO are the best wheels for under £140 (~$280). This wheel has two pedals. Many used ones are on eBay after people have upgraded to the G25. This is a good wheel for a use with around £55 to spend. The only issue is that at 900° the motors will not physically let you turn the wheel quick enough to countersteer for things like drifting, however it will work at 240°.
  
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This wheel was not marketed as being compatible with the PC - it was sold as a wheel for the PlayStation 2, especially Gran Turismo 4, however, it works with PC, it just needs Logitech Profiler installed, it uses a standard USB connector and the GT4 branding was just a marketing ploy to bundle GT4 and this wheel. It will work in JUST as many games as the Momo or other wheels will, don't let the PS2 compatibility fool you! This wheel seems to be replacing the Momo and has less issues, and seeing as this and the Momo are evenly priced I would herald this as the better wheel in comparison to the Momo - and therefore the best wheel for £55 (~$110).<br />
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This wheel was not marketed as being compatible with the PC - it was sold as a wheel for the PlayStation 2, especially Gran Turismo 4, however, it works with PC - it just needs Logitech Profiler installed. It uses a standard USB connector and the GT4 branding was just a marketing ploy to bundle GT4 and this wheel. It will work in just as many games as the MOMO or other wheels will.<br />
 
[http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm/products/details/FI/EN,CRID=2250,CONTENTID=11097 Manufacturer site]
 
[http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm/products/details/FI/EN,CRID=2250,CONTENTID=11097 Manufacturer site]
 
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===Logitech G25===
 
===Logitech G25===
  
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900° of rotation. Better FFB than the Momo and turns more than twice as fast as the DFP (a bugbear of the DFP - this wheel can turn so fast that if your fingers were to get in the way of the paddles when it turns full throttle it WILL hurt). This wheel has 3 pedals (clutch, brake and gas) and comes with a full H-pattern, six-speed shift stick with a reverse gear. The stick can also be adjusted to sequential shifting. Put simply this is the best wheel for under £1,000 (~$2,000). Retails at around £150 (~$300). The wheel is bigger and to quote one user "I love mine, its FFB feels sublime, the pedals feel beautifully balanced, and the wheel is bigger - i love it, it's amazing, I wish I'd bought it sooner". This wheel really is the top-dog for your "average" sim racer with a sensible budget, and it. However, being a new wheel it has some problems - like the shifter malfunctioning, however Logitech support will repair this under warranty for you. The shift stick also makes a distinctive clicking sound even when shifting through gears in the H-pattern system which doesn't usually appear on a real manual transmission - some people may experience these clicking sounds quite unrealistic. However, this can be removed by sticking a piece of foam plastic in the spring attached to the shifter rod which pushes a small metal ball against a plate with 3 groves inside the assembly. One other problem is that the paddles are a solid bar from side to side, with a little flex, unlike 2 separate parts as on wheels like the DFP and Momo, this means that if you upshift (or downshift) in a certain way the shock will go through the paddles and you'll drop two gears in the other direction. Luckily, this only seems to happen if you "flick" the paddles, and provided you keep your hands on the wheel it shouldn't happen. <br />
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900° of rotation. Better FFB (Force Feedback) than the Momo and turns more than twice as fast as the DFP (a bugbear of the DFP - this wheel can turn so fast that if your fingers were to get in the way of the paddles when it turns full throttle it WILL hurt). This wheel has 3 pedals (clutch, brake and throttle) and comes with a full H-pattern, six-speed shift stick with a reverse gear. The stick can also be adjusted to sequential shifting.
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Put simply this is the best wheel unless you want to spend an extreme amount of money. Retails at around £140 (~$277). This wheel really is the top-dog for your "average" sim racer with a sensible budget. However, being a new wheel it has some problems - like the shifter malfunctioning, however Logitech support will repair this under warranty for you. The shift stick also makes a distinctive clicking sound even when shifting through gears in the H-pattern system which doesn't usually appear on a real manual transmission - some people may experience these clicking sounds quite unrealistic. However, this can be removed by sticking a piece of foam plastic in the spring attached to the shifter rod which pushes a small metal ball against a plate with 3 groves inside the assembly. One other problem is that the paddles are a solid bar from side to side, with a little flex, unlike 2 separate parts as on wheels like the DFP and Momo, this means that if you upshift (or downshift) in a certain way the shock will go through the paddles and you'll drop two gears in the other direction. Luckily, this only seems to happen if you "flick" the paddles, and provided you keep your hands on the wheel it shouldn't happen. Another problem, though, is that when you're on the straights on this game with this wheel, you would feel that there's absolutely no force feedback occurring. However, the wheel is still extremely realistic!<br />
 
[http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm/products/details/FI/EN,CRID=2217,CONTENTID=11867 Manufacturer site]
 
[http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm/products/details/FI/EN,CRID=2217,CONTENTID=11867 Manufacturer site]
 
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[[Image:MS Sidewinder Red.jpg|right|thumb|The Microsoft SideWinder Force Feedback Wheel.]]
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===Thrustmaster RGT Force Feedback with Clutch===
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Older and discontinued by Thrustmaster, but a fairly built, less expensive and great wheel. It has a great FFB effect and its pedals are quite good. The brake pedal is also harded to press down, like it should be in real-life. You should use the FFD_2009_v1 drivers instead of the new FFD_2016_v2 drivers, as the old one works perfect while the new one is completely messed up.<br />
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[http://www.thrustmaster.com/en_US/products/rgt-force-feedback-pro-clutch-edition Manufacturer site]
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===Microsoft Sidewinder Force Feedback wheel===
 
===Microsoft Sidewinder Force Feedback wheel===
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[[Image:MS Sidewinder Red.jpg|right|thumb|The Microsoft SideWinder Force Feedback Wheel.]]
  
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Old and discontinued, but a good wheel, expect to pick one up from eBay for £5-£10 (~$10-$20) excluding postage (which, due to the size and weight of a wheel could easily be as much, if not more, than the wheel itself!). This wheel has 240° of rotation and FFB. A great first wheel if you are a casual LFS'er, want a cheap wheel, if you are unsure of whether a wheel is for you or if you can get one of these quick and want to know if its worth waiting to get a DFP/G25 etc.
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Old and discontinued, but a good wheel, expect to pick one up from eBay for £10-£20, excluding postage (which, due to the size and weight of a wheel could easily be as much, if not more, than the wheel itself!). This wheel has 240° of rotation and FFB. A great first wheel if you are a casual LFS user, want a cheap wheel or are unsure of whether a wheel is for you or if you can get one of these quick and want to know if its worth waiting to get a DFP/G25 etc.
  
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It was made in USB or parallel gameport flavours, gameport ones tend cheaper, but useless if you have no gameport, although you could pick up a sound card (which should come with a gameport) for £2 (~$4) (including postage) on eBay - if you plan on doing this method i reccomend that you go for the Creative SoundBlaster Live! 5.1 as it features a gameport, is XP compatible, cheap (~£2 (~$4)) and has fairly decent sound quality. If you have the choice, pick the USB one as if you do come to sell it you should get a higher price for it.<br clear="all" />
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It was made in USB or parallel gameport versions, gameport ones tend to be cheaper, but useless if you have no gameport, although you could pick up a sound card (which should come with a gameport) for £2 (~$4) (including postage) on eBay - if you plan on doing this method I recommend that you go for the Creative SoundBlaster Live! 5.1 as it features a gameport, is XP compatible, cheap (~£2 (~$4)) and has fairly decent sound quality. If you have the choice, pick the USB one as if you do come to sell it you should get a higher price for it.<br clear="all" />
  
 
==Other, more exotic, wheels==
 
==Other, more exotic, wheels==
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|[[Image:Porsche 911 Turbo S Wheel-pwts front picture.jpg|right|thumb|The Fanatec Porsche 911 Turbo S Wheel.]]
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|[[Image:Porsche 911 Turbo S Wheel-pwts 012 1.jpg|right|thumb|150px|The wheel's shifter.]]
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====Fanatec Porsche 911 Turbo S====
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Fanatec's wheels are the only noteworthy competitors to G25/G27. Also 900° of rotation like the G25/G27. This wheel also has 3 pedals (clutch, brake and throttle) and comes with a full H-pattern, six-speed shift stick with a reverse gear and a separate sequential shifter.<br />
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[http://www.fanatec.de/html/index.php?id=250&lang=en Manufacturer site] [http://www.fanatec.de/html/index.php?id=200&lang=en Other models from Fanatec]
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|[[Image:T500RSwheel.jpg|right|thumb|The Thrustmaster T500 RS Wheel.]]
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|[[Image:TH8RSproduct.jpg|right|thumb|150px|The Thrustmaster TH8 RS 7+1-speed shift stick (addon).]]
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|[[Image:FerrariF1WheelAddOn_2.jpg.png|right|thumb|150px|The Thrustmaster Ferrari F1 Wheel Integral T500 wheel (addon).]]
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====Thrustmaster T500 RS & addons====
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"The T500 RS is a true racing simulator designed for the most die-hard racing fans: its power is unmatched, with Force Feedback effects relayed via a 65W industrial motor, providing 150mNm at 3000 RPM. The Force Feedback mechanism is vigorous, fast-acting and extremely responsive. While the power is potent, the integrated large dual-belt system ensures backlash-free and smooth behavior." Remember the phrase; "If you need to ask how much...."  <br />
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[http://www.thrustmaster.com/en_UK/products/t500-rs Manufacturer site]
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|[[Image:BRD-Pro-ST.jpg|right|thumb|The BRD Sim-Pro ST Wheel.]]
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|[[Image:BRD-Pro-Speed7 pedals.jpg|right|thumb|150px|The wheel's pedals.]]
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====Ball Racing Development BRD Sim-Pro ST ====
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BRD mostly services companies that want complete simracing solutions, but service also end users. Remember the phrase; "If you need to ask how much...."
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[http://www.brdsim.com/product/controls/pro-st.html Manufacturer site]
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|[[Image:FrexGP-simwheelfsn-800.jpg|right|thumb|The FrexGP SimWHEEL.]]
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|[[Image:FrexGP-wires and connectors.jpg|right|thumb|150px|This one goes here, but where does this go?]]
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====FrexGP====
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FrexGP sells addons and bolt-ons to wheels and do-it-yourself -type products for simracers. Remember the phrase; "If you need to ask how much...."
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[http://www.frex.com/gp/ Manufacturer site]
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|[[Image:ECCI-6000 05 m.jpg|right|thumb|The ECCI TRACKSTAR 6000.]]
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====ECCI====
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ECCI sells high-end force feedback-less wheels some users swear by. Remember the phrase; "If you need to ask how much...."
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[http://ecci6000.com/ Manufacturer site]
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|[[Image:Leo Bodnar wheel base.jpg|right|thumb|Leo Bodnar wheel base.]]
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|[[Image:Leo Bodnar wheel base 2.jpg|right|thumb|Leo Bodnar wheel base 2nd pic.]]
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====Leo Bodnar====
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"This is the business end of my humble test system at home. I think we can finally have this on the market this year. " Remember the phrase; "If you need to ask how much...."
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[http://www.leobodnar.com/ Manufacturer site]
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===Wheels for specific needs===
 
===Wheels for specific needs===
  
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If for one reason or another (due to a disability or lack of space) you cannot use pedals, the Thrustmaster Ferrari Force Feedback wheel and Rallye GT Pro wheel have split paddles, the bottom half of each pedal being analogue when the pedals were not plugged in. The paddle shifters on the Logitech Driving Force are plastic levers with a large surface area which are easy to depress, and like the Thrustmaster wheels these also operate as analogue axes when the pedals are disconnected. [http://www.thomas-superwheel.com Thomas Enterprises] produce steering wheels with similar features.
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If for one reason or another (due to a disability or lack of space) you cannot use pedals, the Thrustmaster Ferrari Force Feedback wheel and Rallye GT Pro wheel have split paddles, the bottom half of each paddle being analogue when the pedals were not plugged in. The paddle shifters on the Logitech Driving Force are plastic levers with a large surface area which are easy to depress, and like the Thrustmaster wheels these also operate as analogue axes when the pedals are disconnected. [http://www.thomas-superwheel.com Thomas Enterprises] produce steering wheels with similar features.
  
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== Wheel problems troubleshooting ==
 
[[Image:Momo.jpg|thumb|The black Logitech Momo Racing.]]
 
[[Image:Momo.jpg|thumb|The black Logitech Momo Racing.]]
 
=== Logitech DFP and Momo ===
 
=== Logitech DFP and Momo ===
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''Pot: Nickname for [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Potentiometer potentiometer]. This is a small device used in analogue wheel/pedal or joystick that measures the movement of the wheel or pedal and sends signals to the PC so that your action can be reflected in the software.''
 
''Pot: Nickname for [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Potentiometer potentiometer]. This is a small device used in analogue wheel/pedal or joystick that measures the movement of the wheel or pedal and sends signals to the PC so that your action can be reflected in the software.''
  
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==Ways to maximise your LFS wheel experience==
  
 
===Correctly setting up a Logitech Wheel===
 
===Correctly setting up a Logitech Wheel===
 
[[Image:LogitechSetup.jpg|thumb|Screenshot of a properly configured Logitech G25 wheel, using specific game profile made for LFS. (If you have Logitech MOMO, nevermind the "degrees of rotation" setting).]]
 
[[Image:LogitechSetup.jpg|thumb|Screenshot of a properly configured Logitech G25 wheel, using specific game profile made for LFS. (If you have Logitech MOMO, nevermind the "degrees of rotation" setting).]]
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Open up your Logitech Profiler and then the FFB settings window: either "Options" - "Global Device Settings" or if you are using game profiles "Edit" - "Specific Game Settings". Suggested settings are these (also shown in the screenshot):
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Open up your Logitech Profiler and then the FFB (Force Feedback) settings window: either "Options" - "Global Device Settings" or if you are using game profiles "Edit" - "Specific Game Settings". Suggested settings are these (also shown in the screenshot):
  
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* ''Overall Effects Strength'' - Set to 101-105% (101% is good value). Due to problems inside the Logitech Profiler the FFB only starts to act linearly when set over 100%. You can always fine tune the level of FFB in LFS's [[Options#Controls|Options > Controls]] or you can adjust it "on the fly" while driving with the FFB shortcut keys.<br>
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* ''Overall Effects Strength'' - Set to 101-105% (101% is good value). Due to problems inside the Logitech Profiler the FFB only starts to act linearly when set over 100%. You can always fine tune the level of FFB in LFS's [[Options#Controls|Options > Controls]] or you can adjust it "on the fly" while driving with the FFB (Force Feedback) shortcut keys.<br>
 
* ''Spring Effect Strength'' - Set to 0%. It is Logitech driver based effect and practically LFS does not need this (confirmed by the game developer).<br>
 
* ''Spring Effect Strength'' - Set to 0%. It is Logitech driver based effect and practically LFS does not need this (confirmed by the game developer).<br>
 
* ''Damper Effect Strength'' - Set to 0%. It is Logitech driver based effect and practically LFS does not need this (confirmed by the game developer).<br>
 
* ''Damper Effect Strength'' - Set to 0%. It is Logitech driver based effect and practically LFS does not need this (confirmed by the game developer).<br>
 
* ''Enable Centering Spring'' / ''Centering Spring Strength'' - Uncheck the box (disable it) and set it to 0%.
 
* ''Enable Centering Spring'' / ''Centering Spring Strength'' - Uncheck the box (disable it) and set it to 0%.
 
* ''Report Combined Pedals'' - Uncheck this option. Enabling this only gives you one pedal axis, meaning you can't use brake and throttle pedals properly. So disable it.
 
* ''Report Combined Pedals'' - Uncheck this option. Enabling this only gives you one pedal axis, meaning you can't use brake and throttle pedals properly. So disable it.
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* ''Degrees of Rotation'' - If your wheel provides this option, set it to the particular car's lock-to-lock angle (LFS lets you see this value in the car setup screen, under "Steering").
  
 
These settings should work on all Logitech wheels. The settings in the Logitech Profiler might slightly differ from these instructions depending on your wheel model.
 
These settings should work on all Logitech wheels. The settings in the Logitech Profiler might slightly differ from these instructions depending on your wheel model.
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Latest revision as of 14:17, 12 February 2024

Guide to commonly available wheels

It's a common question that many a sim-racer has asked - which wheel should I get? Buying a wheel is the easiest way to upgrade the immersiveness of LFS, and should help you to be able to understand what the car is doing better, whether you are racing or drifting.

You can get “cheap” generic racing wheels, however these really are generally of low quailty, you can pick up a great new wheel for £50, you can spend more, and you can spend less by buying a used one (but beware, some of them are rather abused beforehand), and you could pick up an basic wheel (great just to see if a wheel is worth it, or if your a casual user) up for £5 (~$10) excluding postage - they are rather bulky and to get them posted well with lots of protection can cost a fair bit (I.E. to send a Microsoft Sidewinder wheel across the UK will cost around £10).

Most modern wheels nowadays come with a set of pedals, these are usually 2 pedals (throttle and brake), some also have clutch pedals as well, however this is less common and usually found on the more expensive wheels, ie in the £70+ (~$140) range

Some have FFB (Force Feedback), which relays bumps in the road through the wheel as a vibration, or the wheels turning (as you would often feel up the steering column), I.E. as the tyres slide the wheel in a real cars turn as the wheels follow the path of least resistance - FFB makes sure the same thing happens to your wheel, and gives invaluable feedback, you can feel as the car’s tyres start to let go. It sounds like a gimmick, but it is very useful! Not to be confused with Vibration, which just shakes when you hit something like a console - FFB is fully (and very well) supported in LFS, while vibration (aka "Rumble Effect") isn't because it would give very little extra immersion (ie after hitting a tree in real life your wheel doesn't shake!).

Rotation is the last part where wheels differ. It is measured from lock to lock. Some wheels have 900° (that's 2 and a half turns), some have 240° and some have 180°, 900° is the most natural (although most standard road cars use 720° or less), but 240° works fine, and many WR holders use 180° so they don't need to pass the wheel through their hands, and so that they can quickly dial in the correct amount of steering, however you can be easily competitive with 540° or 720°. The LFS road cars have 720° of lock, you can use more or less, and is adjustable in the Logitech Profiler (assuming its a Logitech wheel, and out of those you can only change the rotation on the DFP and G25, however you can go from 90°-900°).

LFS has full support of features such as rotation, force feedback, clutches and h-gate shifters, and it added stalling and clutch heat in Patch Y.


The Logitech Driving Force GT.

Logitech Driving Force GT

This wheel has 900° of rotation. It is the wheel which you may often find bundled with Gran Turismo 5 Prologue. Do not be fooled however, as this will work perfectly with any other game including LFS. The GT logo on it is just a marketing ploy. It is much cheaper than G25/G27 and is the successor to the Driving Force Pro. The DFGT is not much different to the DFP, the force feedback is improved, a few new buttons, but not much else. The iffy pedals remain. You must install the Logitech Game Profiler to use the wheel with your PC. If you are looking for a decent, cheap wheel, a used DFP is a much better idea. Available new at about £70 (~$110) these are good value, but not was good value as a DFP. The RRP is £100 (~$156.41) and that is the price you would pay if you bought it from somewhere like Argos.
Manufacturer site

The Logitech G27 Wheel.
The wheel's six-speed shift stick.

Logitech G27

Successor to G25. Also 900° of rotation like the G25. Better Force Feedback than the G25. This wheel also has 3 pedals (clutch, brake and throttle) and comes with a full H-pattern, six-speed shift stick with a reverse gear. One feature G27 lost, compared to G25, is the stick that could be adjusted to sequential shifting. If you want sequential shifting, with G27 you have to make do with the paddles behind the wheel. It lost some, but it gained some, more buttons on the wheel. Something the G25 was often criticized for, lack of buttons on the wheel.
It IS possible to use the LEDs on the wheel with Live for Speed. You have to download a simple mod from LFS Forum.
Manufacturer site

Discontinued models

The Logitech Driving Force.

Logitech Driving Force

This wheel has vibration (for PS2) and force feedback (on the PC, once the Wingman drivers are installed). It has 180° of rotation lock to lock. It's out of production, and as such seems to command £35 (~$70) new, which seems very high (compared to Logitech's other offerings), and is really only worth getting around the £20 (~$40) mark. This wheel is compatible with some older PlayStation 2 games before the Driving Force Pro became available.
Manufacturer site

The Logitech Driving Force EX.

Logitech Driving Force EX

This is a fairly good beginners wheel that works with PC and PS2. It has 180 degree steering, 16 fully programable buttons, plus a d-pad making this wheel suitable for other games aswell as LFS. You would be looking at £20-40 to buy one. Overall the Microsoft Sidewinder is a better wheel for PC.
Manufacturer site

The red Logitech MOMO Force.

Logitech MOMO Force ("The Red MOMO")

Essentially similar to the Logitech MOMO Racing, the only real difference is that it is seemingly made from better materials. It is rare, and therefore can be quite expensive on sites like eBay, it came out before the MOMO racing and is now out of production. Although better than the MOMO, it's not as good as the DFP or G25.

The black Logitech Momo Racing.

Logitech MOMO Racing

A very good wheel, 240° of rotation, 2 pedals and Force Feedback.

Rev. B version versions that do not have the pedal problems that plague the Rev. A, although they can be fixed in a rather DIY manner. It currently sells for £50 new. It is sold on logitech.com for around $100, but they can be found on eBay and similar. This (and the DFP) are the best wheels for around £50 (~$100), however the general consensus is that the DFP is an all round better wheel.
Manufacturer site

The Logitech Driving Force Pro.

Logitech Driving Force Pro

This wheel has 900° of rotation. Like the Momo the Rev. A seems to have pedal problems, Rev B versions don’t have these issues though. Available new around £55 (~$110), while used should be cheaper. This and the MOMO are the best wheels for under £140 (~$280). This wheel has two pedals. Many used ones are on eBay after people have upgraded to the G25. This is a good wheel for a use with around £55 to spend. The only issue is that at 900° the motors will not physically let you turn the wheel quick enough to countersteer for things like drifting, however it will work at 240°.

This wheel was not marketed as being compatible with the PC - it was sold as a wheel for the PlayStation 2, especially Gran Turismo 4, however, it works with PC - it just needs Logitech Profiler installed. It uses a standard USB connector and the GT4 branding was just a marketing ploy to bundle GT4 and this wheel. It will work in just as many games as the MOMO or other wheels will.
Manufacturer site

The Logitech G25 Wheel.
The wheel's six-speed shift stick.

Logitech G25

900° of rotation. Better FFB (Force Feedback) than the Momo and turns more than twice as fast as the DFP (a bugbear of the DFP - this wheel can turn so fast that if your fingers were to get in the way of the paddles when it turns full throttle it WILL hurt). This wheel has 3 pedals (clutch, brake and throttle) and comes with a full H-pattern, six-speed shift stick with a reverse gear. The stick can also be adjusted to sequential shifting. Put simply this is the best wheel unless you want to spend an extreme amount of money. Retails at around £140 (~$277). This wheel really is the top-dog for your "average" sim racer with a sensible budget. However, being a new wheel it has some problems - like the shifter malfunctioning, however Logitech support will repair this under warranty for you. The shift stick also makes a distinctive clicking sound even when shifting through gears in the H-pattern system which doesn't usually appear on a real manual transmission - some people may experience these clicking sounds quite unrealistic. However, this can be removed by sticking a piece of foam plastic in the spring attached to the shifter rod which pushes a small metal ball against a plate with 3 groves inside the assembly. One other problem is that the paddles are a solid bar from side to side, with a little flex, unlike 2 separate parts as on wheels like the DFP and Momo, this means that if you upshift (or downshift) in a certain way the shock will go through the paddles and you'll drop two gears in the other direction. Luckily, this only seems to happen if you "flick" the paddles, and provided you keep your hands on the wheel it shouldn't happen. Another problem, though, is that when you're on the straights on this game with this wheel, you would feel that there's absolutely no force feedback occurring. However, the wheel is still extremely realistic!
Manufacturer site


Thrustmaster RGT Force Feedback with Clutch

Older and discontinued by Thrustmaster, but a fairly built, less expensive and great wheel. It has a great FFB effect and its pedals are quite good. The brake pedal is also harded to press down, like it should be in real-life. You should use the FFD_2009_v1 drivers instead of the new FFD_2016_v2 drivers, as the old one works perfect while the new one is completely messed up.
Manufacturer site

Microsoft Sidewinder Force Feedback wheel

The Microsoft SideWinder Force Feedback Wheel.

Old and discontinued, but a good wheel, expect to pick one up from eBay for £10-£20, excluding postage (which, due to the size and weight of a wheel could easily be as much, if not more, than the wheel itself!). This wheel has 240° of rotation and FFB. A great first wheel if you are a casual LFS user, want a cheap wheel or are unsure of whether a wheel is for you or if you can get one of these quick and want to know if its worth waiting to get a DFP/G25 etc.

It was made in USB or parallel gameport versions, gameport ones tend to be cheaper, but useless if you have no gameport, although you could pick up a sound card (which should come with a gameport) for £2 (~$4) (including postage) on eBay - if you plan on doing this method I recommend that you go for the Creative SoundBlaster Live! 5.1 as it features a gameport, is XP compatible, cheap (~£2 (~$4)) and has fairly decent sound quality. If you have the choice, pick the USB one as if you do come to sell it you should get a higher price for it.

Other, more exotic, wheels

By internet order only, assembly required, limited availability wheels

The Fanatec Porsche 911 Turbo S Wheel.
The wheel's shifter.

Fanatec Porsche 911 Turbo S

Fanatec's wheels are the only noteworthy competitors to G25/G27. Also 900° of rotation like the G25/G27. This wheel also has 3 pedals (clutch, brake and throttle) and comes with a full H-pattern, six-speed shift stick with a reverse gear and a separate sequential shifter.
Manufacturer site Other models from Fanatec

The Thrustmaster T500 RS Wheel.
The Thrustmaster TH8 RS 7+1-speed shift stick (addon).
The Thrustmaster Ferrari F1 Wheel Integral T500 wheel (addon).

Thrustmaster T500 RS & addons

"The T500 RS is a true racing simulator designed for the most die-hard racing fans: its power is unmatched, with Force Feedback effects relayed via a 65W industrial motor, providing 150mNm at 3000 RPM. The Force Feedback mechanism is vigorous, fast-acting and extremely responsive. While the power is potent, the integrated large dual-belt system ensures backlash-free and smooth behavior." Remember the phrase; "If you need to ask how much...."
Manufacturer site


The BRD Sim-Pro ST Wheel.
The wheel's pedals.

Ball Racing Development BRD Sim-Pro ST

BRD mostly services companies that want complete simracing solutions, but service also end users. Remember the phrase; "If you need to ask how much...."
Manufacturer site

The FrexGP SimWHEEL.
This one goes here, but where does this go?

FrexGP

FrexGP sells addons and bolt-ons to wheels and do-it-yourself -type products for simracers. Remember the phrase; "If you need to ask how much...."
Manufacturer site

The ECCI TRACKSTAR 6000.

ECCI

ECCI sells high-end force feedback-less wheels some users swear by. Remember the phrase; "If you need to ask how much...."
Manufacturer site

Leo Bodnar wheel base.
Leo Bodnar wheel base 2nd pic.


Leo Bodnar

"This is the business end of my humble test system at home. I think we can finally have this on the market this year. " Remember the phrase; "If you need to ask how much...."

Manufacturer site

Wheels for specific needs

If for one reason or another (due to a disability or lack of space) you cannot use pedals, the Thrustmaster Ferrari Force Feedback wheel and Rallye GT Pro wheel have split paddles, the bottom half of each paddle being analogue when the pedals were not plugged in. The paddle shifters on the Logitech Driving Force are plastic levers with a large surface area which are easy to depress, and like the Thrustmaster wheels these also operate as analogue axes when the pedals are disconnected. Thomas Enterprises produce steering wheels with similar features.

Wheel problems troubleshooting

The black Logitech Momo Racing.

Logitech DFP and Momo

It is not uncommon for mass-produced devices with moving parts to harbour a few gremlins and Logitech controllers are no exception.

There are a few issues which many Logitech users have in common and some may be addressed by applying software patches or using new drivers and software written for just this purpose.

While some problems may be hardware or design issues (therefore can't be fixed by software), others may be rectified by trying the software fixes available. If your controller shows signs of a shifting centre for example, you can try the official Logitech fix for that problem. Before you post your Logitech problems on the Live For Speed Forums please check out the Wingman Team Web Site first to see if others have had the same problems you are having. Try the new drivers and other fixes that relate to your controller and see if you can solve some of the common problems that other people also have with their controller. Other utilities can be found on the Wingman Team site including DX Tweak2 which works for other controllers too, not just Logitech ones.

Please visit the site and try to fix your problems. This may save several similar topics being created here every time someone experiences a typical fault. Many people have reported that their controller issues were solved by patching their software or updating to newer versions. If all else fails then contact Logitech for a replacement controller (if your warranty has not yet expired).

Hardware Problems

The inside of a DFP. Most wheel problems can be fixed without opening it.

There are a few issues that can be identified that may lead to an under-performing controller. If your controller is still covered by the manufacturer's warranty it is wise to enquire about a replacement. Pulling your controller to pieces, or even removing one screw, will void your warranty so consider whether or not repairs are worth doing before becoming Dr Frankenstein. If you have no choices left then try this link. Although the site features a Momo, the information can be easily applied to the DFP as well. Replacement *pots, springs etc are not available separately. Special lubricant (grease) is used inside the controllers and you should be able to buy some from an electronics or hobby store. Normal lubricants are unsuitable and may corrode the plastic itself.

  • Try the software fixes listed above before assuming that you have a hardware problem.
  • If you are still covered by warranty, seek a replacement wheel from the manufacturer rather than repairing or modifying your controller.
  • If you dismantle or repair your controller you do so at your own risk. Damage to the controller or your person is your reponsibility.

Don't forget to check our hardware section for more discussion on wheels and other controllers.

Pot: Nickname for potentiometer. This is a small device used in analogue wheel/pedal or joystick that measures the movement of the wheel or pedal and sends signals to the PC so that your action can be reflected in the software.

Ways to maximise your LFS wheel experience

Correctly setting up a Logitech Wheel

Screenshot of a properly configured Logitech G25 wheel, using specific game profile made for LFS. (If you have Logitech MOMO, nevermind the "degrees of rotation" setting).

Open up your Logitech Profiler and then the FFB (Force Feedback) settings window: either "Options" - "Global Device Settings" or if you are using game profiles "Edit" - "Specific Game Settings". Suggested settings are these (also shown in the screenshot):

  • Overall Effects Strength - Set to 101-105% (101% is good value). Due to problems inside the Logitech Profiler the FFB only starts to act linearly when set over 100%. You can always fine tune the level of FFB in LFS's Options > Controls or you can adjust it "on the fly" while driving with the FFB (Force Feedback) shortcut keys.
  • Spring Effect Strength - Set to 0%. It is Logitech driver based effect and practically LFS does not need this (confirmed by the game developer).
  • Damper Effect Strength - Set to 0%. It is Logitech driver based effect and practically LFS does not need this (confirmed by the game developer).
  • Enable Centering Spring / Centering Spring Strength - Uncheck the box (disable it) and set it to 0%.
  • Report Combined Pedals - Uncheck this option. Enabling this only gives you one pedal axis, meaning you can't use brake and throttle pedals properly. So disable it.
  • Degrees of Rotation - If your wheel provides this option, set it to the particular car's lock-to-lock angle (LFS lets you see this value in the car setup screen, under "Steering").

These settings should work on all Logitech wheels. The settings in the Logitech Profiler might slightly differ from these instructions depending on your wheel model.

N.B For Logitech G29 & G920, you must use the latest Logitech Gaming Software or else it won't be recognized.

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